Tuesday, January 25, 2011

BBD - The Fall of Man

I've decided to start a series called the Bible Broken Down, or BBD for short. It will really be my thoughts and commentary on things I am learning as I get more involved with studying the Word of God, aka The Bible. Even if you aren't Christian, it may give you summaries of things that we believe, so feel free to peruse. Questions/comments on beliefs/theology are welcome, as long as they are respectful. A strong foundation can withstand any question. And I'll do my best to answer or give my opinion. Just keep in mind that I am no theologian.

Ok, so just an explanation for those who may not be familiar - The Fall of Man refers to that instance where everything just went downhill. You may have heard the story of Adam & Eve: Eve gets tricked by a snake to eat the forbidden apple, shares it with Adam, God finds out and banishes them from the Garden of Eden. From that day forward Man is cursed. It feels like everyone always blames Eve. Adam represents men and Eve represents women, so we've been fighting for ions, lol.

I am recapping a great discussion we had tonight. Above is the abbreviated version that we are used to hearing about Adam and Eve. But let's just look at this a little bit further. Some of what I learned tonight was pretty surprising, because I had never looked at it that deeply.

So God creates the world. He makes light, water, animals, you name it. When you get to Genesis 1:27 (NIV version)

So God created man in his own image

God creates man. He doesn't yet have a name, but we later find out it's Adam, so I will call him Adam. God tells Adam

Genesis 1:29
"I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground - everything that has breath of life in it - I give every green plant for food." And it was so.

So Adam has it made. He can eat anything he wants. He's the only human around. Him and God are chillin.' God then made the Garden of Eden and he put Adam there to work it and take care of it.

Genesis 2:16
And the Lord God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

The establishment of rules and boundaries. Now where was Eve? This was an interesting question that was asked. Because I guess I assumed that Eve was around when God originally said not to eat the forbidden fruit. But nope, Eve hadn't even been created yet. Eve does not come into existence until Genesis 1:22. Moving right along to the next chapter we are hearing the conversation between the serpent and Eve.

Genesis 3:1-3
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden' ?" The woman said to the serpent "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it or you will die.' "

Ok, a lot just happened right there. First of all there is no text surrounding how Eve found out the rule about not eating the forbidden fruit (fruit, not necessarily an apple by the way). We almost have to assume that Adam told her because God never said she couldn't touch the fruit. Adam might have added that in - he's like, hey don't eat from that tree, matter of fact, just don't touch it. Sometimes we just want to get our two cents in when we should just leave it be. Next Eve is talking to a serpent, not a snake slithering on the ground. It wasn't strange to her that she was having this conversation so the serpent probably resembled her or something that could comfortably hold a conversation with an upright person.

So then the serpent is trying to trick Eve. See, he's already playing on the fact that she is tempted to taste the forbidden fruit. It's the human instinct - as soon as someone tells you don't touch this or don't do that or don't EAT that, that is exactly what you want to do. Even though they had EVERY other fruit and tree in the world.

Genesis 1:4-7
"You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened...

The serpent is manipulating what Eve says that God said to make her doubt herself. He may have touched the fruit to show that it didn't kill him and if one part of her statement was false, then probably the other part is as well. He's trying to get her to see the unfairness is not being able to have that knowledge. He is prodding her temptation. She wants to taste the fruit, c'mon who wouldn't want to know what the one thing in the world you are not allowed to have tastes like? And where is Adam? The text says that he was with her. Why did he know stop her from talking to the serpent? Or why, oh why, did he taste the fruit? Because he also wanted to know what this fruit tastes like and he just saw his wife taste it. What's the harm, right? Even though God who has given them everything and directly told him not to. He is going to listen to his wife, who was being tricked by a serpent.

And as soon as Adam eats the fruit they realize that they have done something wrong - this is their eyes opening. The begin to know the difference between good and evil. Before they were living in pure utopia, where they didn't have a care in the world. And so the curse begins. God is furious and he calls for Adam - Where are you? Adam tells Him he was hiding. God asks him if he ate from the tree. And he says

Genesis 3:12
The woman you put here with me - she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."

Talk about throwing under the bus! Not only does he just put it all on Eve, he blames God too - 'if you hadn't put that woman with me . . .' So if you continue reading the rest of Chapter 3 you will see that God curses the serpent and makes him crawl on his belly (now he is a snake). To the woman he increased pains in childbearing. And to Adam man is cursed to work the land.

Genesis 3:19
"...By the sweat of your brow will you eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; from dust you are and to dust you will return."

(Where we get the expression 'ashes to ashes' that they say at funerals.)

So recap:
God creates the world and then makes man. He puts man in the Garden of Eden and tells him to take care of it, only not to eat from the tree in the middle; everything else was his choosing. God creates woman from man. Man apparently tells Woman about the rule with the tree. Serpent asks Woman if she can't eat anything in the garden. Woman says, "no we can eat everything but from that one tree. " "That one tree? Really? Why is that?" Woman says "if we eat or touch it we will die." Serpent convinces her that that's not the case. Woman eats fruit from tree and gives to Man. Man, knowingly, eats the fruit. God finds out and it's a wrap. Cursed is the serpent, Woman, and finally Man. Man and Woman kicked out of the Garden of Eden, and from reaching the Tree of Life. This is the Fall of Man.

Ultimately it looks like God blames Adam a bit more because he was the one He had directed on eating the fruit. He still holds the serpent and Eve accountable, but from that day forward Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden and never allowed to eat from the tree of life.

There's lots more that could be discussed, but I just wanted to share some of the interesting points we discussed. Hope you enjoyed!




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3 comments:

  1. Anonymous2:20 AM

    I have always enjoyed the story of Adam and Eve and how the beginning of 'man' is a linking result of why we live and think the way we do today.

    I find it interesting that Eve would listen to the serpent, 'whom' she'd just met verses Adam, her husband, the man that she knows! Of course she does so because she is curious even though Adam has told her the rules laid out by God. Eve is just like many of us today: we hear/see the right answer/solution to our situation, but continue to ask the opinions of others until we receive the response we seek. Mind you, the response we are looking for may NOT be the correct one, but we want it. Hence Eve confiding in the serpent and not the other creatures which I touch on below.

    And let's talk about the serpent. As you have mentioned, it is assumed that it appeared to be a creature that was capable of communicating with Eve in a way that she understood. Of course, we as christians realize that the serpent is nothing more than one of the devil's many images.

    Because of Eve's nature of being curious and tempted to eat the fruit, she is willing to go against her belief - in Adam and God. She then justifies her reasoning to feel that way in order to convince herself to feel good about her decision (Gen 2:6). And the most important thing is that she does not question the obvious: 'What is this serpent? Where did it come from?' Prior to its appearance, "..God formed every beast in the field, and every fowl of the air, and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them.." (Gen 2:19) And if the serpent was in the pack, why is it the only creature tempting Eve to eat the fruit? What if Adam and Eve were to confide in those creatures who are NOT eating from the tree? These are all questions that if thought of during a tempting moment may have saved Eve and Adam. An objective while facing temptation view is also a must. This questioning method would probably save many of us today if practiced when tempted.

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  2. Anonymous11:54 PM

    My thoughts:

    1. see http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11312a.htm for immense theological details

    2. Satan could have tempted them solely through whisperings in the mind, or could have taken physical form

    3. if adam and eve did not sin, does that mean their children would not have?

    4. does "adam and eve" represent two human beings or many human beings from the beginning since genetically speaking the children would have to procreate with one another to continue the generations (yuck)?

    5. what were the effects of this original sin as it passed through the generations?

    6. God allowed Satan to test their faithfulness to Him - God never left watch over them - He's omniscient

    7. what exactly was the first sin "the forbidden fruit?" Some, I have seen contended it was a sexual sin, was it a sin of pride like the Devil's sin, etc?

    8. Why did Satan tempt them?

    9. So many questions - good discussion Melis
    ~ Gerard

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  3. Great comments! Thank you!

    @Anonymous - God created the serpent along with all the other animals, it was just more crafy than the other animals. Now as far as how evil got into play and why it wants to tempt Eve that has usually been attributed to Satan. I agree, had they thought some more maybe they would have realized that they should listen to their Creator, rather than their Peer.

    @Gerard
    3. I don't know if "sin" itself was inevitable. Because you get into the debate of God being omniscent and then there being a destined path, but God would not have wanted them to eat the fruit, so at that point I don't think they had a destined path. I think human nature would have at some point caused someone to eat the fruit. And this is more of God created Man, but He wanted to let Man do his own thing and not micro-manage, so that is why they are able to go against his will

    4. In the story Adam and Eve are two distinct human beings. Yup, in the olden days if there wasn't anyone else around then that's how they had to procreate. But there weren't any other options. At some point there were different blood lines and this became incest and wrong. In the beginning though it makes sense. yuck, sorry, lol.

    5. I think the effects of the original sin are that "their eyes opened" so from that point on there was no utopia. It's like when you are a little kid and everything is perfect. It's not until you grow up that you realized you were poor or you lived in the ghetto or your little bubble was not a true reflection of the world. Hopefully your parents do a good job of protecting you until you are old enough to have your 'eyes opened.'

    6. I agree. God does not micro-manage; this is probably the beginning of free-will, right?

    7. I think the first sin was the forbidden fruit. They directly did something God told them not to. I don't understand how there would be a sexual sin; sex didn't even exist. Please explain.

    8. That's his job right? To make you doubt what you know, or what you think you know. And if all of your "truths" turn out to be false, then you may consider batting for his team. No idea, just a theory.

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